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4A-6A Second Round Matchups

Post by Bluejaygrad03 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:11 am

Here are the 2nd round matchups in Class 4A-6A:

4A
(1) Chicago Phillips (10-0) @ (9) Johnsburg (8-2)
(5) Manteno (9-1) @ (4) Geneseo (9-1)
(7) Plano (8-2) @ (2) Marengo (10-0)
(6) Richmond-Burton (9-1) @ (3) Rockford Lutheran (10-0)
(1) Belleville Althoff (10-0) @ (9) Quincy Notre Dame (7-3)
(5) Murphsyboro (9-1) @ (4) Rochester (9-1)
(2) Columbia (10-0) @ (10) Breese Mater Dei (7-3)
(6) Herrin (9-1) @ (3) Taylorville (10-0)

5A
(8) Tinley Park (8-2) @ (16) Glen Ellyn Glenbard South (6-4)
(5) Burbank St. Laurence (8-2) @ (4) Chicago King (8-2)
(7) LaGrange Park Nazareth Academy (8-2) @ (15) Chicago Solorio Academy (6-4)
(6) Woodstock Marian (8-2) @ (3) Joliet Catholic Academy (9-1)
(1) Washington (10-0) @ (9) Sterling (8-2)
(4) Champaign Central (9-1) @ (12) Decatur Eisenhower (7-3)
(7) New Lenox Lincoln-Way West (8-2) @ (2) Troy Triad (9-1)
(6) Centralia (9-1) @ (3) Peoria Central (9-1)

6A
(8) Maple Park Kaneland (7-3) @ (1) Lombard Montini (10-0)
(5) DeKalb (8-2) @ (13) Deerfield (7-3)
(7) Lake Forest (7-3) @ (2) Crystal Lake Prairie Ridge (9-1)
(6) Grayslake North (7-3) @ (3) Riverside-Brookfield (9-1)
(1) Frankfort Lincoln-Way North (10-0) @ (9) Oak Lawn Richards (7-3)
(5) Oak Forest (9-1) @ (13) Darien Hinsdale South (7-3)
(7) Peoria Notre Dame (8-2) @ (2) SHG (10-0)
(6) Crete-Monee (8-2) @ (3) Lemont (9-1)

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Re: 4A-6A Second Round Matchups

Post by crkamm » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:30 am

Bluejaygrad03 wrote:Here are the 2nd round matchups in Class 4A-6A:

5A
(7) LaGrange Park Nazareth Academy (8-2) @ (15) Chicago Solorio Academy (6-4)
I was going to take bets on how vast the margin of victory would be for Naz, but looking at their schedule they don't do that.

So, instead, I'll ask how quickly do we think they will get to the 40 pt spread.
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Post by nowhereman » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:51 pm

Bluejaygrad03 wrote:Here are the 2nd round matchups in Class 4A-6A:

4A
(1) Chicago Phillips (10-0) @ (9) Johnsburg (8-2)
(5) Manteno (9-1) @ (4) Geneseo (9-1)
(7) Plano (8-2) @ (2) Marengo (10-0)
(6) Richmond-Burton (9-1) @ (3) Rockford Lutheran (10-0)
(1) Belleville Althoff (10-0) @ (9) Quincy Notre Dame (7-3)
(5) Murphsyboro (9-1) @ (4) Rochester (9-1)
(2) Columbia (10-0) @ (10) Breese Mater Dei (7-3)
(6) Herrin (9-1) @ (3) Taylorville (10-0)

5A
(8) Tinley Park (8-2) @ (16) Glen Ellyn Glenbard South (6-4)
(5) Burbank St. Laurence (8-2) @ (4) Chicago King (8-2)
(7) LaGrange Park Nazareth Academy (8-2) @ (15) Chicago Solorio Academy (6-4)
(6) Woodstock Marian (8-2) @ (3) Joliet Catholic Academy (9-1)
(1) Washington (10-0) @ (9) Sterling (8-2)
(4) Champaign Central (9-1) @ (12) Decatur Eisenhower (7-3)
(7) New Lenox Lincoln-Way West (8-2) @ (2) Troy Triad (9-1)
(6) Centralia (9-1) @ (3) Peoria Central (9-1)

6A
(8) Maple Park Kaneland (7-3) @ (1) Lombard Montini (10-0)
(5) DeKalb (8-2) @ (13) Deerfield (7-3)
(7) Lake Forest (7-3) @ (2) Crystal Lake Prairie Ridge (9-1)
(6) Grayslake North (7-3) @ (3) Riverside-Brookfield (9-1)
(1) Frankfort Lincoln-Way North (10-0) @ (9) Oak Lawn Richards (7-3)
(5) Oak Forest (9-1) @ (13) Darien Hinsdale South (7-3)
(7) Peoria Notre Dame (8-2) @ (2) SHG (10-0)
(6) Crete-Monee (8-2) @ (3) Lemont (9-1)
All three classes appear to have some very interesting POTENTIAL!! matchups going forward:

4A:
3rd Round
Geneseo/Phillips
Marengo/Rockford Lutheran (if Lutheran's RB is a go)
Rochester/Althoff
4th Round:
Geneseo/Rockford Lutheran
Phillips/Rockford Lutheran
Althoff/Taylorville
Rochester/Taylorville

5A:
3rd Round:
Nazareth/JCA
LWW/Peoria

6A:
3rd Round:
LWN/'Hinsdale South
Richards/Hinsdale South
Crete-Monee/SHG
Lemont/SHG
4th Round:
Montini/Prairie Ridge
Crete-Monee/LWN
Crete-Monee/Richards
Crete-Monee/Hinsdale South
Lemont/LWN
Lemont/Richards
Lemont/Hinsdale South

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Re: 4A-6A Second Round Matchups

Post by Reggie » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:47 pm

I believe the best of these will be:

4A- Richmond-Burton vs. Rockford Lutheran
5A- Washington vs. Sterling
6A- Crete-Monee vs. Lemont

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Post by Redbird CC Fan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:35 pm

Washington is the only unbeaten left in 5A.

Only 5 9-1 team left and 2 of them play each other.

I think it shows that most of the top teams in 5A likely play above their level in conference and therefore end up with a couple of losses in the regular season.
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Post by Teetime » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:58 pm

Or, the IHSA bumps them up to 6A.
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Post by nowhereman » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:25 pm

Teetime wrote:Or, the IHSA bumps them up to 6A.
I sure hope my concurrence with you does not ruin your reputation Teetime, but you nailed that one. Penalizing SOME (NOT ALL!!) 15-18 year old kids because of their success. What classless bullies. Come on Rochester, win another one. There are still some administrators, ADs and coaches out there who obviously need hypocrisy demonstrated to them.

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Post by illinoisdad » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:59 pm

Regarding the previous post- I have to also wonder- isn't the "success penalty" for all, not just privates? Wouldn't Rochester football be one of the first teams in any sport where many would think this rule would apply? How are they still 4A?

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Post by illini25 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:24 pm

illinoisdad wrote:Regarding the previous post- I have to also wonder- isn't the "success penalty" for all, not just privates? Wouldn't Rochester football be one of the first teams in any sport where many would think this rule would apply? How are they still 4A?
I believe the "success adjustment" applies only to non-boundary schools.

This includes the approximately 70 non-boundaried public schools in Illinois. Rochester has a boundary.
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Post by Bogeyman » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:37 am

Like many other "Public Schools" they also have apartments and other rental properties. Good luck to ALL teams going into week 11!

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Post by STL » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:29 am

illini25 wrote:
illinoisdad wrote:Regarding the previous post- I have to also wonder- isn't the "success penalty" for all, not just privates? Wouldn't Rochester football be one of the first teams in any sport where many would think this rule would apply? How are they still 4A?
I believe the "success adjustment" applies only to non-boundary schools.

This includes the approximately 70 non-boundaried public schools in Illinois. Rochester has a boundary.
The multiplier is bad enough - well intentioned but poorly implemented. Why 65%? What about all the non-boundaried schools that don't actively recruit? (and there are a lot - especially outside of Chicago). What about all of the public schools that do? (and there are a lot.)

On top of that, the success factor policy is ridiculous.

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Post by illini25 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:03 am

There's a solution if a non-boundary school is recruiting.
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Post by whitelightening » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:51 am

STL wrote:
illini25 wrote:
illinoisdad wrote:Regarding the previous post- I have to also wonder- isn't the "success penalty" for all, not just privates? Wouldn't Rochester football be one of the first teams in any sport where many would think this rule would apply? How are they still 4A?
I believe the "success adjustment" applies only to non-boundary schools.

This includes the approximately 70 non-boundaried public schools in Illinois. Rochester has a boundary.
The multiplier is bad enough - well intentioned but poorly implemented. Why 65%? What about all the non-boundaried schools that don't actively recruit? (and there are a lot - especially outside of Chicago). What about all of the public schools that do? (and there are a lot.)

On top of that, the success factor policy is ridiculous.
Agree....and add that some non-boundary schools should not be multiplied at all and an increasing multiplier factor applied accordingly......perhaps all the way up to 2.0-2.5......if the intent is to normalize enrollment of non-boundary schools to public schools' enrollments in order to classify them in the approropriate competitive class for post-season championship tournaments with public schools. if this is done and implemented correctly.....no success factor policy/rule is ever needed or required.

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Post by STL » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:57 am

illini25 wrote:There's a solution if a non-boundary school is recruiting.
Rarely addressed. Has to be a whistleblower (from another rival/school), then enforcement resources are limited.

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Post by STL » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:55 am

Inherently, if public grade school kids end up going to the local private high school, how is that any different than if private grade school kids go to the local public high school? In either case aren't these kids leaving their "school district" for another one? It happens both ways, but unfortunately the adjustment factor is focused solely on the first example, and not necessarily the net of the two.

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Post by Teetime » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:57 am

illini25 wrote:There's a solution if a non-boundary school is recruiting.

Is it the same solution if a school with a boundary is recruiting?
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Post by STL » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:54 am

Teetime wrote:
illini25 wrote:There's a solution if a non-boundary school is recruiting.

Is it the same solution if a school with a boundary is recruiting?[/

The issue does exist and in some cities it's much worse than others. Unfortunately I don't think that the current solution is any better than the current problem.

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Post by jmc » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:26 pm

Public boundary schools NEVER recruit, that is only for those "bad" private, non-boundary schools. :roll: ;) Maybe we can also discuss having one big conference in the Peoria area, the ease/difficulties of going to a private school, and whether MTHS is in Tazewell county or is it WCHS in Woodford county, I never remember. :lol:

As far as "recruiting" goes, it is like corruption, it happens in many places over many years, but is rarely provable.

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Post by blackshirt » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:18 pm

I don't think necessarily a whole lot of "recruiting" goes on in high school sports, it's just that good athletes are more drawn to the schools because they want to be playing for something that matters.

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Post by Reggie » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:09 pm

jmc wrote:As far as "recruiting" goes, it is like corruption, it happens in many places over many years, but is rarely provable.
You mean like if a family has all its kids except for a soccer play attend the public high school in the district they live in? ;)
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Post by illini25 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:52 pm

Teetime wrote:
illini25 wrote:There's a solution if a non-boundary school is recruiting.

Is it the same solution if a school with a boundary is recruiting?
I messed up. I meant there is a solution if a boundary school is recruiting.
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Post by illini25 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:57 pm

By the way, I have a very close affiliation with a non-boundary school athletic program. They make no bones about the fact they can "recruit." They also want to always compete in the largest class.
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Post by STL » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:02 pm

illini25 wrote:By the way, I have a very close affiliation with a non-boundary school athletic program. They make no bones about the fact they can "recruit." They also want to always compete in the largest class.
From Chicago?

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Post by STL » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:08 pm

Reggie wrote:
jmc wrote:As far as "recruiting" goes, it is like corruption, it happens in many places over many years, but is rarely provable.
You mean like if a family has all its kids except for a soccer play attend the public high school in the district they live in? ;)
Ha! Evidently you know of a specific instance. As I alluded to earlier, it does occasionally happen - in both directions. But actual recruiting happens FAR less than many believe.

Plus there are lots of rules in place. When woodruff closed, some athletes wanted to transfer to a local non-boundaried school, but the IHSA said no. Come in as a freshman or be prepared to sit out a year.

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Post by illini25 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:22 pm

STL wrote:
illini25 wrote:By the way, I have a very close affiliation with a non-boundary school athletic program. They make no bones about the fact they can "recruit." They also want to always compete in the largest class.
From Chicago?
No.
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