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IHSA votes to move to 2 classes in 2016-17

Post by illini25 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:45 am

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Post by CIS » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:18 am

Illini, any idea of enrollment cutoff for the classes? Seems like a good idea to me - just don't go beyond two classes!

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Post by WILSON1 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:46 pm

"The class enrollment break will be determined based on placing the smallest 50 percent of the participating schools in Class A and the remaining half in Class AA. Based on the 2014-15 entries, the classification cutoffs would have been 1378 for girls and 1427 for boys."

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Post by WILSON1 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:49 pm

Ill tell you what if this had been done 10 years ago the Metamora and Morton programs would sure have some hardware in the trophy case, team and individual, boys and girls!! Better late than never.....

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Post by illini25 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:21 pm

WILSON1 wrote:Ill tell you what if this had been done 10 years ago the Metamora and Morton programs would sure have some hardware in the trophy case, team and individual, boys and girls!! Better late than never.....
True.

What I don't like is the fact small school locals won't be able to compete against the state's best players. We are likely to have a 1A team and individual champion from the area in spring 2017. It will be interesting to see the road to get to those championships and how tough/easy that road is.
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Post by illini25 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:20 pm

Just for fun I looked at the 2015 boys tournament. There were 44 of 128 singles qualifiers from schools with enrollment less than 1,427.

The largest 1A schools with qualifiers were Dunlap (1,248), Antioch (1,317), Peoria Richwoods (1,331), Springfield (1,347) and Chatham Glenwood (1,385). The smallest 2A school with a qualifier was Champaign Centennial (1,440).

I also looked at the 32 singles players who won 2 rounds to get to the round of 32 undefeated. There were 5 of 32 from 1A schools. Three of these 5 were from private schools (from Rockford, Wheaton and Winnetka).
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Post by O&B 78 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:02 am

What would you think of 2 classes for teams and 1 for singles? I was just thinking it is much harder for small schools to field a team with enough depth to compete but they could have that 1 player every few years.
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Post by illini25 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:52 am

O&B 78 wrote:What would you think of 2 classes for teams and 1 for singles? I was just thinking it is much harder for small schools to field a team with enough depth to compete but they could have that 1 player every few years.
I would endorse something like this. The NCAA and some states have both a team tournament and an individual tournament for singles and doubles. I would love a 2-class team tourney followed by a single class singles and doubles tourney.

The argument against this format is that it reduces the number of players competing in individual event due to time constraints.
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Post by illini25 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:00 pm

Girls 2016 tournament was the last girls event with one class.

Top finishing small school was Chicago Latin at 14. There were 2 more small schools in top 20 (Joliet Catholic and Sycamore).

Latin had the 4th place singles player. There were 2 small school singles players finishing 13th to 16th. There were no small school doubles teams in the top 16.

Latin's team points came solely from their 4th place singles player. Assuming Latin wins singles and team title next year getting points from 1 player, I'm just not sure those titles outweigh the very good player not getting to play against any of the state's other top players.
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Post by ZDE210 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:14 pm

illini25 wrote: Latin's team points came solely from their 4th place singles player. Assuming Latin wins singles and team title next year getting points from 1 player, I'm just not sure those titles outweigh the very good player not getting to play against any of the state's other top players.
Latin cannot win the title outright with only 1 player scoring. The best they could possibly do is tie for first with whatever school fields the doubles champs. Also not likely. It will take more than one entry to win the Class A event.

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Post by illini25 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:06 pm

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illini25 wrote: Latin's team points came solely from their 4th place singles player. Assuming Latin wins singles and team title next year getting points from 1 player, I'm just not sure those titles outweigh the very good player not getting to play against any of the state's other top players.
Latin cannot win the title outright with only 1 player scoring. The best they could possibly do is tie for first with whatever school fields the doubles champs. Also not likely. It will take more than one entry to win the Class A event.
Are you a math expert? Sure, when I think deeper about how scoring works that makes sense. :joker

I still don't like that a few of the state's top players will be in the A pool and not competing against the other top players in the state. But maybe I should be more concerned that each year there are 4 to 12 (or so) of the best players who don't participate because they choose not to be part of high school tennis or they are being home schooled. I really wish that wasn't the case.
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Post by ZDE210 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:33 pm

How is it any different than the top few cross country kids in a smaller class not being in 3A? The top few golfers? Wrestlers? Sprinters? Did Tommy Kuhl throw his golf state medal in the river last year?

It will be different than it has been. That's for sure. But I think it will be great.

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Post by illini25 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:03 pm

ZDE210 wrote:How is it any different than the top few cross country kids in a smaller class not being in 3A? The top few golfers? Wrestlers? Sprinters? Did Tommy Kuhl throw his golf state medal in the river last year?

It will be different than it has been. That's for sure. But I think it will be great.
It's not different than those sports. It will be ok but I will miss some of the match ups that won't happen.
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Post by illini25 » Sun May 15, 2016 10:43 am

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2016 ... 160339779/

Last single-class state tournament is upon us.

Daily Herald indicates some are unhappy about the two-class format but don't give details.
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Post by illini25 » Wed May 18, 2016 7:13 am

http://m.journalstandard.com/article/20 ... /160429771

This is part of what is wrong with 2-class tennis. Freeport? No this won't happen. :lol:

Matt also needs to fact check. Look at 2014 boys doubles 5th place!!
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Post by ZDE210 » Wed May 18, 2016 10:59 am

illini25 wrote:http://m.journalstandard.com/article/20 ... /160429771

This is part of what is wrong with 2-class tennis. Freeport? No this won't happen. :lol:

Matt also needs to fact check. Look at 2014 boys doubles 5th place!!
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Re: IHSA votes to move to 2 classes in 2016-17

Post by illini25 » Mon May 30, 2016 1:06 pm

Goodbye to single class tennis. Here are small school results looking at the top 24 finishers in both singles and doubles and using the estimated boys cutoff of 1,427.

Singles -
There were 5 small school top 24 finishers. One finished 7-8, 2 finished 9-12 (including Dunlap), 1 finished 12-16 and 1 finished 17-24. Of those 5 top 24 players, 3 were from private parochial schools, 1 was from a Chicago non-boundary school and 1 was from a public school.

Doubles -
There were 3 small school top 24 finishers. One finished 6th (Richwoods) and 2 finished 17-24 (Metamora & Normal U High).

I still think splitting into 2 classes makes sense for a team title but I'm not looking forward to watching some of the early and mid-round match ups next year in singles and doubles.
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Re: IHSA votes to move to 2 classes in 2016-17

Post by illini25 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:56 pm

http://www.ihsa.org/SportsActivities/Gi ... assign.htm

Assignments for small schools in first ever ihsa 2-class tournament.

Here's big schools. Pekin goes to Champaign for sectional. So do Quincy, Moline and East Moline. That's a lot of travel for a sectional.

http://www.ihsa.org/SportsActivities/Gi ... assign.htm
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