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10-7 Potters after one. Now 12-8.
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23-8 Potters at the half.
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Morton cruising 37-10 in the 3rd.
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40-10 through three.
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45-12
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JD wrote:
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Lady Potters will face the Lanphier Lady Lions in the 1:00 PM game on Friday afternoon. This is the furthest that Lanphier has gotten in girls basketball.

The other state semifinal on Friday will be Chicago Simeon vs. Lombard Montini.

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So at one point Morton was up 10-7, the Potters then outscored their opponent 35-5 the rest of the game? :shock: I don't see anyway that Lanphier stays in the game on Friday - maybe a 30+ point blowout? How good is Montini and Simeon? Will one of these teams give Morton a game?

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State Final Teams Info
https://www.ihsa.org/Sports-Activities/ ... 3info1.htm
Click Montini twice. The first click Lanphier pops up.

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CIS wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:00 pm
How good is Montini and Simeon? Will one of these teams give Morton a game?
Simeon vs. Montini
At first glance, one’s impression might be that Montini would be a decided underdog. Simeon- great size, potent offense, most dominant player, experience-start 2 Srs, 2 Jrs, 1 So. Montini appears not as strong offensively, good size but very young-start 1 Sr, 4 So. However, although not having seen them play, a closer look at the stats might provide a little deeper insight.

Simeon
-Obviously, Morrow dominates-26.7 pts (1st), 11.9 reb (1st), 3.9 asst (2nd), 43% 3pt FG (134 att t-1st), 70% FTs (159 att 1st). Listed as F, but actually G/F- best outside shooter, 3.9 asst,would indicate ball handling responsibilities.
-Dixon- has to be PG 14.9 pts (2nd), 4.9 asst (1st), 31% 3ptFG (139 att t-1st), 57% FTs.
-Gardner- 10.2 pts (3rd), 6.7 reb (2nd), 45% FTs (139 att (2nd)-definite liability there.
-Callon-9.3pts, 36% 3pt FG (118 att 3rd), 3rd shooter to stretch zone, back-up to give Dixon a blow?
-Except for Morrow, all poor FT shooters. Shaky situation leading late in a game with PG shooting 57% FTs. Gardner (45%), Stokes (59%), White (54%)-plenty of targets late if behind. Might replace one with Callon as extra ball handler. Obvious priorty to deny Morrow the ball, or force her to give it up to keep her off the line.

Montini- stats might be deceiving.
-No individual stands out. Team balance in all areas, keep defense honest. Seven regulars avg. 5.4-9.5 pts, top 5 reb 3.0-4.9, top 5 asst 1.2-1.9. Shot att at each level-2pt, 3pt, FTs- pretty equally distributed. Several 3pt. shooters, overall not great %-Prochaska-39%, Sullivan-29%, Charles-29%, Giordano-24%-but a lot of options. Decent FT%- Thornton-75%, Charles-72%, Sullivan-63%, Thomas-62%, Giordano-60%, Saracco-60%. So no one in particular to target when behind late.
-The low numbers might indicate Montini runs a deliberate offense; strong overall D-slow opponents offense. Tends to hold down the number of changes of possession.
-Their conference (GCAC) is known for deliberate style, tough, physical defense. Could take Simeon out of their game?

Before I do this-yes, I know comparing common opponents is considered irrelevant by those who know the game. I agree. Just consider this as food for thought:

Common Opponents-each was highly ranked in 4A poll during the season.
Evanston-Simeon L 63-58; Montini L 53-52
Maine West-Simeon W 53-50; Montini W 41-40
Mother McAuley-Simeon W 40-35; Montini W 40-31
Benet Academy-Simeon L 51-48; Montini L 57-54

-Lost to the same teams; beat the same teams; margin of the scores vs. each team pretty close to one another.
-Looks like Simeon might be comfortable in a low-scoring, half-court game-contrary to the perception of Public League teams.
-BTW- both teams beat 4A Semi-finalists
Simeon beat Palatine (Fremd) 56-45
Montini beat New Lenox (Lincoln-Way West) 50-48

Is any of this significant? I dunno. Probably not. The game might be 180 degrees opposite. But it was a fun exercise. Anybody else gleam any other insights?

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Waiting to see who wins this game before trying to analyse how they would fare vs. Morton

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Morton and Lanphier have any common opponents?
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deejay wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:50 pm
Morton and Lanphier have any common opponents?
Quite a few actually. Both played East Peoria, Dunlap, Central, and Lincoln among others. The only common opponent that Lanphier lost to was Central in the championship of the Manual Holiday Tournament.

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Morton vs. Simeon

Random Thoughts

-Simeon’s zone defense:
1. Very poor rotation on ball reversal-Morton will get a lot of open 3’s-especially baseline.
2. Very slow closing on shooter, again, especially baseline.
3. Don’t close seams on wings; too much dribble penetration; Morton draw the D: kick out to opposite wing for open 3, or break down get to rim.
4. Poor rebounding fundamentals-don’t block out properly, no rebounding triangle, rely on jumping ability.
-Morton’s ball movement will create back door opportunities.
-Simeon’s guards, including Morrow, shaky ball handlers-Morton press, trap can take Simeon completely out of their offense; expect high number of to’s.
-When Simeon bigs go to basket, they’re close to out of control; forced, off-balance shots.
-Morton could be effective with any number of defenses:
1. man-to-man, perimeter pressure, Dullard on Morrow.
2. 2-3 zone; Dullard on wing or baseline on Morrow’s side of the floor.
3. box-and-one; Dullard chasing Morrow.
-Only problem I could see for Morton would be if Dullard on perimeter on Morrow, Simeon bigs would have definite advantage inside.
-In the end, Morton too sound fundamentally and disciplined to lose this game. Simeon just has too many flaws.

A Couple Tidbits
-Announcer said all of Morton’s Sr. starters played together in 7th grade. False-Deering is from East Peoria.
-Ridiculous statements: (1) Becker said Dullard has WNBA potential. (2) She’s the best in the state regardless of class. Pleeesee!

Re: 3A/4A All-State Teams
Post by SS01 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:01 am


When the 2020 Ms. Basketball is named, it will be a travesty if Angela Dugalic doesn't win. It shouldn't even be close. Anybody who knows anything about Illinois girls basketball couldn't in good faith vote for anyone else.

2020 ESPN Hoopgurlz Rankings:
http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-b ... la-dugalic
USJN stands for United States Junior Nationals. Elite competition.

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SS01 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:21 am
Morton vs. Simeon

Random Thoughts

-Simeon’s zone defense:
1. Very poor rotation on ball reversal-Morton will get a lot of open 3’s-especially baseline.
2. Very slow closing on shooter, again, especially baseline.
3. Don’t close seams on wings; too much dribble penetration; Morton draw the D: kick out to opposite wing for open 3, or break down get to rim.
4. Poor rebounding fundamentals-don’t block out properly, no rebounding triangle, rely on jumping ability.
-Morton’s ball movement will create back door opportunities.
-Simeon’s guards, including Morrow, shaky ball handlers-Morton press, trap can take Simeon completely out of their offense; expect high number of to’s.
-When Simeon bigs go to basket, they’re close to out of control; forced, off-balance shots.
-Morton could be effective with any number of defenses:
1. man-to-man, perimeter pressure, Dullard on Morrow.
2. 2-3 zone; Dullard on wing or baseline on Morrow’s side of the floor.
3. box-and-one; Dullard chasing Morrow.
-Only problem I could see for Morton would be if Dullard on perimeter on Morrow, Simeon bigs would have definite advantage inside.
-In the end, Morton too sound fundamentally and disciplined to lose this game. Simeon just has too many flaws.

A Couple Tidbits
-Announcer said all of Morton’s Sr. starters played together in 7th grade. False-Deering is from East Peoria.
-Ridiculous statements: (1) Becker said Dullard has WNBA potential. (2) She’s the best in the state regardless of class. Pleeesee!

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Post by SS01 » Fri Mar 06, 2 020 10:01 am


When the 2020 Ms. Basketball is named, it will be a travesty if Angela Dugalic doesn't win. It shouldn't even be close. Anybody who knows anything about Illinois girls basketball couldn't in good faith vote for anyone else.

2020 ESPN Hoopgurlz Rankings:
http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-b ... la-dugalic
USJN stands for United States Junior Nationals. Elite competition.
I know you’re probably trolling but I’ll bite. Coach Becker may be right about Dullard. He’s seen a ton of basketball talent in his coaching career so I would tend to believe his evaluation. It’s not something he says every year.
Where is Dugalic’s team? Not at ISU this weekend.
BTW Lincoln Way West is playing for the 4A championship with only 3 losses this year. We heard about 2 of them during their game last night but they never mentioned their 3rd loss. It was to Morton.
I don’t know what outcome will be for Morton today but I like their chances.

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Congrats to Simeon.
Great season Lady Potters!

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Never thought I'd see a Morton team cough up a big game, especially late.
Box Score and Play-by-Play
https://www.ihsa.org/data/bkg/3Box4.pdf

1st Qtr.
1:50- Morton 16-0, outscored 45-28 rest of game.
4th Qtr. Morton 1-5 FTs last 2:51.
2:51 Morton 41-38 Remmert 0-1(front end of 1-and-1)
2:39 Morton 42-38 Dullard 1-2
0:13 Morton 44-43 Jones 0-2

The game in a nutshell:
Turnovers-Morton 21 Simeon 5-Morton's pressure ineffective.
Pts. off turnovers-Morton 3-all in 1st qtr. Simeon 22.
2nd chance pts.-Morton 9 Simeon 15
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young guns wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:45 pm
SS01 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:21 am
Morton vs. Simeon

Random Thoughts

-Simeon’s zone defense:
1. Very poor rotation on ball reversal-Morton will get a lot of open 3’s-especially baseline.
2. Very slow closing on shooter, again, especially baseline.
3. Don’t close seams on wings; too much dribble penetration; Morton draw the D: kick out to opposite wing for open 3, or break down get to rim.
4. Poor rebounding fundamentals-don’t block out properly, no rebounding triangle, rely on jumping ability.
-Morton’s ball movement will create back door opportunities.
-Simeon’s guards, including Morrow, shaky ball handlers-Morton press, trap can take Simeon completely out of their offense; expect high number of to’s.
-When Simeon bigs go to basket, they’re close to out of control; forced, off-balance shots.
-Morton could be effective with any number of defenses:
1. man-to-man, perimeter pressure, Dullard on Morrow.
2. 2-3 zone; Dullard on wing or baseline on Morrow’s side of the floor.
3. box-and-one; Dullard chasing Morrow.
-Only problem I could see for Morton would be if Dullard on perimeter on Morrow, Simeon bigs would have definite advantage inside.
-In the end, Morton too sound fundamentally and disciplined to lose this game. Simeon just has too many flaws.

A Couple Tidbits
-Announcer said all of Morton’s Sr. starters played together in 7th grade. False-Deering is from East Peoria.
-Ridiculous statements: (1) Becker said Dullard has WNBA potential. (2) She’s the best in the state regardless of class. Pleeesee!

Re: 3A/4A All-State Teams
Post by SS01 » Fri Mar 06, 2 020 10:01 am


When the 2020 Ms. Basketball is named, it will be a travesty if Angela Dugalic doesn't win. It shouldn't even be close. Anybody who knows anything about Illinois girls basketball couldn't in good faith vote for anyone else.

2020 ESPN Hoopgurlz Rankings:
http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-b ... la-dugalic
USJN stands for United States Junior Nationals. Elite competition.
I know you’re probably trolling but I’ll bite. Coach Becker may be right about Dullard. He’s seen a ton of basketball talent in his coaching career so I would tend to believe his evaluation. It’s not something he says every year.
Where is Dugalic’s team? Not at ISU this weekend.
BTW Lincoln Way West is playing for the 4A championship with only 3 losses this year. We heard about 2 of them during their game last night but they never mentioned their 3rd loss. It was to Morton.
I don’t know what outcome will be for Morton today but I like their chances.
"Trolling"? Obviously you didn't even have the wherewithall to look at the other posts on this thread.
Ask Becker what top players in Illinois he has seen. Go ahead, take his uneducated statement over the evaluation of a writer whose job it is to cover the best players in the country for ESPN. Why don't you try reading the link. S-l-o-w-l-y. You want to play the "where" game? Where is Dullard's name on any list of the best girls basketball players in the country. Dugalic is ranked #24, as you should know if you had actually read the link.

Notice the green "O" under her picture? That stands for Oregon-the #2 ranked team in the nation. Admittedly, Oregon isn't on the same level as UAB.
Also notice at the bottom- Illinois Gatorade Player of the Year for 2020.

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SS01 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:48 pm
young guns wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:45 pm
SS01 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:21 am
Morton vs. Simeon

Random Thoughts

-Simeon’s zone defense:
1. Very poor rotation on ball reversal-Morton will get a lot of open 3’s-especially baseline.
2. Very slow closing on shooter, again, especially baseline.
3. Don’t close seams on wings; too much dribble penetration; Morton draw the D: kick out to opposite wing for open 3, or break down get to rim.
4. Poor rebounding fundamentals-don’t block out properly, no rebounding triangle, rely on jumping ability.
-Morton’s ball movement will create back door opportunities.
-Simeon’s guards, including Morrow, shaky ball handlers-Morton press, trap can take Simeon completely out of their offense; expect high number of to’s.
-When Simeon bigs go to basket, they’re close to out of control; forced, off-balance shots.
-Morton could be effective with any number of defenses:
1. man-to-man, perimeter pressure, Dullard on Morrow.
2. 2-3 zone; Dullard on wing or baseline on Morrow’s side of the floor.
3. box-and-one; Dullard chasing Morrow.
-Only problem I could see for Morton would be if Dullard on perimeter on Morrow, Simeon bigs would have definite advantage inside.
-In the end, Morton too sound fundamentally and disciplined to lose this game. Simeon just has too many flaws.

A Couple Tidbits
-Announcer said all of Morton’s Sr. starters played together in 7th grade. False-Deering is from East Peoria.
-Ridiculous statements: (1) Becker said Dullard has WNBA potential. (2) She’s the best in the state regardless of class. Pleeesee!

Re: 3A/4A All-State Teams
Post by SS01 » Fri Mar 06, 2 020 10:01 am


When the 2020 Ms. Basketball is named, it will be a travesty if Angela Dugalic doesn't win. It shouldn't even be close. Anybody who knows anything about Illinois girls basketball couldn't in good faith vote for anyone else.

2020 ESPN Hoopgurlz Rankings:
http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-b ... la-dugalic
USJN stands for United States Junior Nationals. Elite competition.
I know you’re probably trolling but I’ll bite. Coach Becker may be right about Dullard. He’s seen a ton of basketball talent in his coaching career so I would tend to believe his evaluation. It’s not something he says every year.
Where is Dugalic’s team? Not at ISU this weekend.
BTW Lincoln Way West is playing for the 4A championship with only 3 losses this year. We heard about 2 of them during their game last night but they never mentioned their 3rd loss. It was to Morton.
I don’t know what outcome will be for Morton today but I like their chances.
"Trolling"? Obviously you didn't even have the wherewithall to look at the other posts on this thread.
Ask Becker what top players in Illinois he has seen. Go ahead, take his uneducated statement over the evaluation of a writer whose job it is to cover the best players in the country for ESPN. Why don't you try reading the link. S-l-o-w-l-y. You want to play the "where" game? Where is Dullard's name on any list of the best girls basketball players in the country. Dugalic is ranked #24, as you should know if you had actually read the link.

Notice the green "O" under her picture? That stands for Oregon-the #2 ranked team in the nation. Admittedly, Oregon isn't on the same level as UAB.
Also notice at the bottom- Illinois Gatorade Player of the Year for 2020.
Interesting, you came on here and made some good comments about the upcoming game between Morton and Simeon. Then take a shot at something Becker said a couple months ago and one of the players. Then promote Dugalic who no doubt is a great player but has nothing to do with the game today. Whatever.

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Congratulations to the Lady Potters for a great season! Unfortunately, they came up a little short in two areas where prior championship teams were strong...taking care of the ball and end of the game free throws to close out a win. Not likely you will ever again see a team out shot by 30 attempts and still have a chance to win at the buzzer.

I would put this game in the category of “the best team doesn’t always win”.

Credit to Simeon for hanging in down 16-0 and getting their first girls championship. :td

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Post by young guns » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:48 pm
Interesting, you came on here and made some good comments about the upcoming game between Morton and Simeon. Then take a shot at something Becker said a couple months ago and one of the players. Then promote Dugalic who no doubt is a great player but has nothing to do with the game today. Whatever.

-Comments about the game were under the heading “Random Thoughts”. Comments about Becker’s statement were under the separate, totally unrelated heading “A Couple Tidbits”, exclusive of one another. That is why I put them in bold-faced type.
-Your statement that promoting Dugalic “…has nothing to do with the game today. Whatever” is nonsensical. What is your point? Of course it didn’t. The two were discussed in totally unrelated contexts.
-You must not have watched the games. Either that, or you didn’t process what you saw. The comments specifically referred to were made during the telecast on Fri. and Sat., irrespective of your claim that they were made two months ago.
-Challenging the public statement Becker made with no substantive facts to support it, and providing facts to refute it, does not “take a shot”. It’s a statement that logically discredits it.
- The comments about Dugalic were facts presented in refutation of Becker’s comments. Period. Not in any other context.
-The question, “Where is Dullard’s name on any list of the best girls basketball players in the country?” is just that-an interrogative. Logically, the statement must be taken in it’s literal sense, not through subjective inference.
-The question was posed to give you an opportunity to logically present factual evidence to support your position, “I would tend to believe his evaluation.” Something that you conveniently neglected to address by deflecting to irrelevant topics.

Proposed:
-Clear away all the peripheral clutter of your deflections. Cut to the crux of the original post under the heading “A Couple Tidbits” in the first place.
-Becker made the statement that she (Dullard) was the best in the state regardless of class.
-I refuted it by presenting facts that supported my position.
-It is up to you to directly address the issue by presenting facts to support your statement, “I would tend to believe his evaluation”. Either that, or concede straight out that your position has no concrete facts to support it. Thereby terminating the need for further discussion.

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So I just became aware or this Sports Forum post and while I rarely, if ever. participate in message boards or social media wars, I just want to point out that the subject of some of these ridiculous conversations are high school kids who become aware of the things said about them. I am not going to engage in the conversation about whether Lindsey Dullard is better than Angela Dugalic or whether she should be Il Miss Basketball or not. Lindsey plays for her coach, her teammates and her community and not for post season awards that lead to posts such as this. For the record, Lindsey has played against Angela in the summer on the AAU circuit. Angela Dugalic is a PHENOMENAL player and well deserving of any award she receives. To be ACCURATE Lindsey has performed VERY WELL in games playing against her. Not arguing Lindsey is better....really don't care who is better. What I do care about is people claiming to be adults that come on to message boards professing some kind of knowledge about my daughter and insulting her and her coach. Claiming under the guise of "anybody that knows anything about high school girls basketball knows" and then citing rankings from exposure/evaluation services as the foundation for your argument is just dumb. Some girls play for individual statistics and rankings and to try to play for the "biggest name" program...others do not. Many choose to pay their money to the so-called ranking/evaluation services who self-promote their subscribers/customers whether justified or not. I am not saying Angela is one of those players...she is (again) a phenomenal player. Using these rankings/evaluation services as basis for any argument lacks credibility for those that truly know high school basketball. Talk about Angela's size and incredible athleticism, and that she is a highly skilled player - noone can argue that. I can say with certainty that the complimentary statements made about Lindsey Dullard were made with appreciation and gratitude from a high school coach that is HIGHLY respected by people that actually know basketball. Not some a forum poster with an agenda to self promote their AAU/exposure company customer/subscriber. We'll leave Lindsey Dullard's potential in basketball and ability evaluation to people that know and matter.

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KDT0912, IMHO your post was perfectly stated. I think it is interesting you haven't had any replies from your post. One point that no one made is no one really knows what is in someones heart and willing to do to become better at whatever endeavor they choose to pursue. A current basketball example of this would be Luka Garza from the University of Iowa Men's Basketball team. Before this season none of the so called experts had him on their radar as a "Top Player" in the country. Through hard work, desire and alot of heart he ended up B10 Player of the Year (voted by coaches) and 2nd in voting as AP National College Player of the Year. I think this proves your point that the so called experts should maybe leave the evaluation to the coaches and people who really understand basketball not some evaluation service.

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KTD0912 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:15 pm
We'll leave Lindsey Dullard's potential in basketball and ability evaluation to people that know and matter.
Lol it's a high school message board...high school players are often topics of discussion :roll: . It might be different if there were people ripping on a high schooler, but I don't see it. While the poster in question does come across as a j**k, the basic premise is that Dullard is very good, but not the best in Illinois. Hardly insulting.
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I think it is interesting you haven't had any replies from your post.
That's easy, this board is on life support, and the GBB forum has a lower draw anyway.

This will probably fan the flames, but didn't a similar thing pop up a few years ago with Bisping? She didn't finish high enough on the ballot, Potter fans were up in arms about the insult, and nobody else really understands basketball?
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