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i'm sure they will get better as the season progresses and several of the football players get into better shape, but what a mess right now. the lack of player development at the lower levels is really starting to show itself....

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Looks like they had a few players come back after taking last year off. Always good to have seniors, but it isn't good to be losing with seniors.

A weak junior class hasn't helped either.

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another year and same question. young players do not want to stay in the program; those that do, do not improve and have 0 fun playing the game...very hard to watch, with little reason for hope in the near future. i would argue that this years senior class had more talent than both the junior and sophomore classes as incoming freshmen; however, the staff gave up on them early and thus many of the kids decided they had better things to do.

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peobigelow wrote:another year and same question. young players do not want to stay in the program; those that do, do not improve and have 0 fun playing the game...very hard to watch, with little reason for hope in the near future. i would argue that this years senior class had more talent than both the junior and sophomore classes as incoming freshmen; however, the staff gave up on them early and thus many of the kids decided they had better things to do.
This is the same coaching staff that went to a sectional last year and super-sectional the year before. Also, many of the same staff that went 28-1 in 2011. They seemed to teach and coach the players well back then. Could it be that it isn't the staff and maybe the talent level is not as good this year. From what I have seen, the effort from most of the players is good, they just don't have any superstars.

Not sure what seniors at PND now would have made this team much better.

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jmc wrote:
peobigelow wrote:another year and same question. young players do not want to stay in the program; those that do, do not improve and have 0 fun playing the game...very hard to watch, with little reason for hope in the near future. i would argue that this years senior class had more talent than both the junior and sophomore classes as incoming freshmen; however, the staff gave up on them early and thus many of the kids decided they had better things to do.
This is the same coaching staff that went to a sectional last year and super-sectional the year before. Also, many of the same staff that went 28-1 in 2011. They seemed to teach and coach the players well back then. Could it be that it isn't the staff and maybe the talent level is not as good this year. From what I have seen, the effort from most of the players is good, they just don't have any superstars.

Not sure what seniors at PND now would have made this team much better.
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I tried, like I am going to tell Reggie, I offered to drive any student/ATHLETE to PND if they wanted. No one seemed to want to sit in the bed of my pickup. :(

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i agree, the players usually always play hard, the talent is just not there right now and not in the near future. yes, the did win their regional last year, but that team as a whole was a big disappointment and lost 20 games...with hanley and washington (not a great basketball player, but a great physical presence in high school) alone, they should have never lost 20 games.

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jmc wrote:I tried, like I am going to tell Reggie, I offered to drive any student/ATHLETE to PND if they wanted. No one seemed to want to sit in the bed of my pickup. :(
Not true. GBG and crkamm were more than willing to take that ride.

Of course we'd need to redefine "athlete" to qualify them for the ride. :P
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Reggie wrote:
jmc wrote:I tried, like I am going to tell Reggie, I offered to drive any student/ATHLETE to PND if they wanted. No one seemed to want to sit in the bed of my pickup. :(
Not true. GBG and crkamm were more than willing to take that ride.

Of course we'd need to redefine "athlete" to qualify them for the ride. :P

Based on what happened at Dee-Mack we know GBG's sport wasn't eating contest.
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illini25 wrote:
Reggie wrote:
jmc wrote:I tried, like I am going to tell Reggie, I offered to drive any student/ATHLETE to PND if they wanted. No one seemed to want to sit in the bed of my pickup. :(
Not true. GBG and crkamm were more than willing to take that ride.

Of course we'd need to redefine "athlete" to qualify them for the ride. :P

Based on what happened at Dee-Mack we know GBG's sport wasn't eating contest.
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illini25 wrote:
Reggie wrote:
jmc wrote:I tried, like I am going to tell Reggie, I offered to drive any student/ATHLETE to PND if they wanted. No one seemed to want to sit in the bed of my pickup. :(
Not true. GBG and crkamm were more than willing to take that ride.

Of course we'd need to redefine "athlete" to qualify them for the ride. :P

Based on what happened at Dee-Mack we know GBG's sport wasn't eating contest.
Yeah, he is obviously no relative of Larry Finklestein. :lol:
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peobigelow wrote:i agree, the players usually always play hard, the talent is just not there right now and not in the near future. yes, the did win their regional last year, but that team as a whole was a big disappointment and lost 20 games...with hanley and washington (not a great basketball player, but a great physical presence in high school) alone, they should have never lost 20 games.
It was a disappointment last year, but some players did not have a good season. They needed an outside threat that never materialized. Also, PND plays in a very tough conference in boys basketball and had a pretty tough non-conference schedule. I don't think that falls on the coaches only. Players have to also work to make themselves better. Coaches can only play the hand that is dealt them. Sports are far too complicated to blame/reward only the coach or only the players. Anyone who has dealt with 15-18 year old teenagers knows it is a very difficult proposition. Then, to add parents who may believe their child(ren) should be the star, or get more playing time, etc. makes it doubly difficult. Unless it is egregiously illegal/unethical treatment, the rest of us need to stay away from too much criticism of coaches. And, yes I am biased as a high school coach.

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jmc wrote:
peobigelow wrote:i agree, the players usually always play hard, the talent is just not there right now and not in the near future. yes, the did win their regional last year, but that team as a whole was a big disappointment and lost 20 games...with hanley and washington (not a great basketball player, but a great physical presence in high school) alone, they should have never lost 20 games.
It was a disappointment last year, but some players did not have a good season. They needed an outside threat that never materialized. Also, PND plays in a very tough conference in boys basketball and had a pretty tough non-conference schedule. I don't think that falls on the coaches only. Players have to also work to make themselves better. Coaches can only play the hand that is dealt them. Sports are far too complicated to blame/reward only the coach or only the players. Anyone who has dealt with 15-18 year old teenagers knows it is a very difficult proposition. Then, to add parents who may believe their child(ren) should be the star, or get more playing time, etc. makes it doubly difficult. Unless it is egregiously illegal/unethical treatment, the rest of us need to stay away from too much criticism of coaches. And, yes I am biased as a high school coach.
to me high school coaches should be evaluated on 3 major criteria:
1. do the players play hard, respectful and learn life lessons?
2. do the players improve during their time in the program?
3. do the players have fun playing the game?
wins and loses will usually fall in line with the above

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This is, no doubt, a down year for the PND program. I don't know that there is much to read into it. They did have a long 10 years or so of competitive, entertaining teams with good talent. If they stay down more than a couple years, that's when it becomes a problem, from an attitude perspective.

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