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And just like that, the controversial career of WSCR host Dan McNeil is as former White Sox announcer Hawk Harrelson used to say - OVER! Apparently he twitted some tasteless and degrading remarks about a female MNF reporter's attire last night. And just like that he's fired. I always kind of liked McNeil but he has been in trouble several times over the years. Twitter sure gets a lot of people in trouble! :o

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For those who haven't seen the tweet, he commented on Maria Taylor's attire during the MNF game between the Steelers and Giants. Here's what he said:

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And here's Maria Taylor's response:



Honestly McNeil was on borrowed time as it is. This was at least the 4th or 5th chance he has had at the Score and the show with him and Parkins was tough to listen to. A lot of meatball Chicago sports takes and more sports betting talk then was probably needed. McNeil would commonly admit on air to not watching the NBA (granted the Bulls haven't been great in years but still). And I've never been a big fan of Parkins to be honest. Part of the reason they even brought Danny Mac back was because of the uproar with the Kaep stuff a few years back and some of the complaints they got for Jason Goff's comments on the issues. They moved Bernstein to mid mornings (who was probably going to be moving at some point to that time slot with a kid in college and another in high school) and let go of Goff (who honestly ended up getting the best end of the deal anyway as he's since had a national weekend show on ESPN Radio and now has a role as a pre and postgame host for the Bulls on NBC Sports Chicago).
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Here's the official statement from the Score:

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A crass Tweet, yes. Fireable, I guess. Assuming more an excuse for WSCR to get out of paying his contract. He did delete the Tweet pretty quickly on his own. Also comparing her outfit to a pornstar's outfit isn't that far of a reach as it does seem a bit much for a journalist serving as a sideline reporter.
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The Score is toast folks. The whole station sounds like a weekend and holiday broadcast from years past. Bernstein is washed - succumbed to his super-wokeness. Parkins is ok, but skewed a little to Bernstein. Holmes is a snoozefest.

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Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:17 pm
A crass Tweet, yes. Fireable, I guess. Assuming more an excuse for WSCR to get out of paying his contract. He did delete the Tweet pretty quickly on his own. Also comparing her outfit to a pornstar's outfit isn't that far of a reach as it does seem a bit much for a journalist serving as a sideline reporter.
A but much according to who?

Why anyone in a public job would comment on a persons appearance or reference anything sexual in 2020 is beyond me. He should get fired for being stupid.
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The Score is toast folks. The whole station sounds like a weekend and holiday broadcast from years past. Bernstein is washed - succumbed to his super-wokeness. Parkins is ok, but skewed a little to Bernstein. Holmes is a snoozefest.
Bernstein is not superwoke. He takes a more intellectual and analytics perspective to sports talk than many others do. You are far in the minority when it comes to Laurence Holmes. He is one of the most enjoyable sports talk guys to listen to. If he was such a snoozefest, then he wouldn't have opportunities he's gotten in the past including hosting a Bears postgame show on NBC Sports Chicago.

My biggest issue with Parkins is that he tries to go too much into narrative driven sports talk and if something goes outside his narrative, then he struggles to get things back in perspective.

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I havent listend to WSCR ( The Score) in years..probably since Mike North was on. However, I agree with TCQ, how and why these guys in media think its a good move to tweet the stupid things they do is hard to understand. BTW she is smoking hot and I think she should wear whatever she wants. If he wants to say what he said to a buddy over a beer fine. Its like they dont remember that twitter is the interne and not a private chat. Hes gonna get fired for that in todays climate.
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You would think all celebrities, sports figures, media types would be so careful what they post these days. McNeil lost a mid-high six figure job over ONE post! Let that sink in. After this latest incident, I don't see McNeil getting back into any type of media, at least in the Chicago area. I wonder if he was under any type of influence when he posted? :o I think the WSCR now goes and gets a woman sports host to give more diversity at the WSCR - that's usually what happens after these types of incidents.

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There are numerous articles stating Bill Belichick dresses like a hobo, homeless person, bum, etc. (Which he does), Nobody waa fired or punishes for this.

Saying a media member who happens to be a woman dressed inappropriately for the sidelines is grounds to get fired. She did dress like a night at the club vs. a national broadcast on an NFL sideline. Is it the use of reporting from the AVN the issue or saying anything about her appearance?

Of course both can wear whatever they want, but should they?
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CIS wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:57 am
You would think all celebrities, sports figures, media types would be so careful what they post these days. McNeil lost a mid-high six figure job over ONE post! Let that sink in. After this latest incident, I don't see McNeil getting back into any type of media, at least in the Chicago area. I wonder if he was under any type of influence when he posted? :o I think the WSCR now goes and gets a woman sports host to give more diversity at the WSCR - that's usually what happens after these types of incidents.
Well they do have Leila Rahimi sitting in on Bernstein's show every Wednesday as of this week but it appears that it was something that was in the works well before this happened.

They did have two women hosting a show on Saturdays but that show ended shortly after the pandemic began.

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Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:48 pm
There are numerous articles stating Bill Belichick dresses like a hobo, homeless person, bum, etc. (Which he does), Nobody waa fired or punishes for this.

Saying a media member who happens to be a woman dressed inappropriately for the sidelines is grounds to get fired. She did dress like a night at the club vs. a national broadcast on an NFL sideline. Is it the use of reporting from the AVN the issue or saying anything about her appearance?

Of course both can wear whatever they want, but should they?
Comparing Belichick and Taylor's appearance is such a false comparison it's not even worth commenting on.

And why should it matter how she dresses anyway? She's more than qualified for the position she had given all the work she's done for the ESPN family of networks. How she dresses as a sideline reporter (which obviously is different this year) is her decision and if her employer finds what she is wearing inappropriate, then they will have her change how she presents herself. McNeil saying what he said comes off as sexist.

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Bluejaygrad03 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:23 pm
Comparing Belichick and Taylor's appearance is such a false comparison it's not even worth commenting on.

How she dresses as a sideline reporter (which obviously is different this year) is her decision and if her employer finds what she is wearing inappropriate, then they will have her change how she presents herself. McNeil saying what he said comes off as sexist.
Except you did.

The fact is both her and ESPN know that her dressing in a manner that maximizes her sex appeal maximizes their ratings and her standing in the entertainment industry.

By having faux outrage at McNeil's comment, ESPN can pretend this isn't true, she can pretend her physical appearance isn't a large reason she got the job, and people can pretend pat themselves on the back too because "looks don't matter". Except they do.

Sharon Stone had a recent quote that sums it up nicely. She strongly disagreed with the “looks don’t matter” notion, arguing that it’s a “big, fat, stupid lie.”

Speaking of big and fat, when is the last time you saw an overweight woman as a sideline reporter?
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That's true, for that matter how about middle aged or gray hair woman? I've seen old dudes like Hub Arkush in his sixties or years ago big overweight Tony Siragusi ...but no old or overweight women. Double standard - good point.

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Redbird CC Fan wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:56 pm
Bluejaygrad03 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:23 pm
Comparing Belichick and Taylor's appearance is such a false comparison it's not even worth commenting on.

How she dresses as a sideline reporter (which obviously is different this year) is her decision and if her employer finds what she is wearing inappropriate, then they will have her change how she presents herself. McNeil saying what he said comes off as sexist.
The fact is both her and ESPN know that her dressing in a manner that maximizes her sex appeal maximizes their ratings and her standing in the entertainment industry.

By having faux outrage at McNeil's comment, ESPN can pretend this isn't true, she can pretend her physical appearance isn't a large reason she got the job, and people can pretend pat themselves on the back too because "looks don't matter". Except they do.
Wow. You seriously think he got the job that she did because of her looks? You know nothing about Maria Taylor if you think that's the case. Lemme give you a little background on her. She played volleyball and basketball on scholarship at the University of Georgia. Once she finished her playing career, she then became a reporter and host for Georgia athletic events through Learfield IMG College, which many of you would hear about as they work a lot with TV and radio stations for colleges around the country (including Bradley, the U of I, ISU, NIU, and SIU). Here is her full bio from ESPN's media website: https://espnpressroom.com/us/bios/maria-taylor/

So tell us again how she's not qualified for her job?

And there is no faux outrage on this. Now Redbird, I don't know if you have any daughters or not, but if you do, I hope to god you wouldn't be okay with someone like McNeil making a comment on their appearance on Twitter while they're appearing on a nationally televised event.


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Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:26 pm
So tell us again how she's not qualified for her job?
Reading comprehension is important, yet seemingly beyond you. I didn't say she wasn't qualified, I said her sex appeal is a large reason she got the job on the sidelines for ESPN on Monday Night Football. Do you see physically disfigured, handicapped, bald, fat, or simply ugly women get such jobs? Notice how as soon as women start to show their age, they aren't in such roles anymore?

Despite her other qualifications, if she wasn't attractive and willing to highlight her attractiveness through make up, dress, etc. she wouldn't be on ESPN as the sideline reporter. Those other qualifications mean virtually nothing particularly at ESPN with their well documented history.

The outrage should be that a woman has to maximize their sex appeal to get and keep these jobs. But hey, McNeil got fired so problem solved. Let's pick out next week's outfit because no one would dare say it is inappropriate now.

I would tell my daughters that if they feel it is necessary to wear skin tight pants, 6 inch heals, and a revealing top to a job, then they don't want that job and to find a better employer.
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Redbird CC Fan wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:56 pm

Speaking of big and fat, when is the last time you saw an overweight woman as a sideline reporter?
I’ve got one. ESPN employee.
You guys can figure it out as I will be vilified for saying it.
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I would tell my daughters that if they feel it is necessary to wear skin tight pants, 6 inch heals, and a revealing top to a job, then they don't want that job and to find a better employer.
Why do believe Maria Taylor felt it necessary to dress how she did? What if, God Forbid, she wanted to wear what she wore?

Men on ESPN wear suits. Do they want to wear suits? Probably not.

Dressing up is a part of that job. For men it’s suits. For women it’s whatever it is they wear. I’m not a women’s fashion expert.
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tribecalledquest wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:29 am
Redbird CC Fan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:07 am
I would tell my daughters that if they feel it is necessary to wear skin tight pants, 6 inch heals, and a revealing top to a job, then they don't want that job and to find a better employer.
Why do believe Maria Taylor felt it necessary to dress how she did? What if, God Forbid, she wanted to wear what she wore?

Men on ESPN wear suits. Do they want to wear suits? Probably not.

Dressing up is a part of that job. For men it’s suits. For women it’s whatever it is they wear. I’m not a women’s fashion expert.
I'd challenge that the dress code is inherently sexist against men. You just made my point - do you see men w/o suits? Do you think they'd be allowed/employed if they chose not to wear what they're told to wear?

Whereas women, for the most part seem to get free reign, and any challenge to that is met with claims of sexism and support of "More power to you girl".

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tombs14 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:38 am
tribecalledquest wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:29 am
Redbird CC Fan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:07 am
I would tell my daughters that if they feel it is necessary to wear skin tight pants, 6 inch heals, and a revealing top to a job, then they don't want that job and to find a better employer.
Why do believe Maria Taylor felt it necessary to dress how she did? What if, God Forbid, she wanted to wear what she wore?

Men on ESPN wear suits. Do they want to wear suits? Probably not.

Dressing up is a part of that job. For men it’s suits. For women it’s whatever it is they wear. I’m not a women’s fashion expert.
I'd challenge that the dress code is inherently sexist against men. You just made my point - do you see men w/o suits? Do you think they'd be allowed/employed if they chose not to wear what they're told to wear?

Whereas women, for the most part seem to get free reign, and any challenge to that is met with claims of sexism and support of "More power to you girl".
Honestly. I’m not an expert on women’s apparel and dress. I have zero idea what is what. That’s up to women - not me.

Referencing someone sexually - as Dan McNeil did publicly - is a dumbass thing to do. Let’s stop making it about Maria Taylor and trying to make it like she deserved the comment. It’s about Dan McNeil being an idiot.
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tribecalledquest wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:40 am
Referencing someone sexually - as Dan McNeil did publicly - is a dumbass thing to do. Let’s stop making it about Maria Taylor and trying to make it like she deserved the comment. It’s about Dan McNeil being an idiot.
I agree ,,,Jeez, thats 2 times in this thread. :shock:
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jim beam wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:14 am
tribecalledquest wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:40 am
Referencing someone sexually - as Dan McNeil did publicly - is a dumbass thing to do. Let’s stop making it about Maria Taylor and trying to make it like she deserved the comment. It’s about Dan McNeil being an idiot.
I agree ,,,Jeez, thats 2 times in this thread. :shock:
I am not saying the comment was wise to publicly throw out there. I didn't like McNeil on WSCR that much either so I don't really care that he was fired much. Again, I called his comment crass and okay with him being fired. He is an idiot.

Maybe Taylor wanted to wear what she wore. However, we keep talking in regards to race about bias and institutionalism. Well sexism is even more institutionalized n the entertainment business so it seems very likely she knows consciously or not that her attractiveness keeps her job so she chooses to dress accordingly. So it is a choice that isn't a choice really. Again, you don't see ugly, fat, old, etc women in these TV roles.

Men can be older, fatter, etc. but if they dress nice and wear a suit it is fine while women need to take their appearance to the next level. That's the real problem. I can't say that McNeil's comment was meant to point this out, which I doubt, but if you critically think about his statement it really does intended or not.
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All of this aside, the more I think about it, I am wondering if McNeil should have been fired? Suspended - yes. Again, we can all agree he should not have said comment. It was wrong. But he did remove it within thirty minutes, apparently realizing it was wrong. He didn't comment on the woman's physical features, just her clothing choice. Just a few years ago, Dan Bernstern commented on a woman's breast and was suspended for just a few days. Why are we so quick to fire people today over one inappropriate comment? I would think a sincere apology and week suspension would suffice. And while McNeil has gotten in trouble before, to my knowledge this was first time over misogynistic remarks. I think it would be different if he has a history of disparaging women in the past and made other public misogynistic remarks. Is this because McNeil was on a short leash at the WSCR or only because of his comment? Thoughts?

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He was stupid and made an inappropriate sexual comment about someone. The company is well within their rights to fire him because they no longer want to be associated with that type of behavior.
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CIS wrote:
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All of this aside, the more I think about it, I am wondering if McNeil should have been fired? Suspended - yes. Again, we can all agree he should not have said comment. It was wrong. But he did remove it within thirty minutes, apparently realizing it was wrong. He didn't comment on the woman's physical features, just her clothing choice. Just a few years ago, Dan Bernstern commented on a woman's breast and was suspended for just a few days. Why are we so quick to fire people today over one inappropriate comment? I would think a sincere apology and week suspension would suffice. And while McNeil has gotten in trouble before, to my knowledge this was first time over misogynistic remarks. I think it would be different if he has a history of disparaging women in the past and made other public misogynistic remarks. Is this because McNeil was on a short leash at the WSCR or only because of his comment? Thoughts?
Because they are bleeding money and looking to get out of any contract that they can right now. If they can launch an expensive dude for cause, they're going to take that opportunity. Like most things, this was more about the bottom line than anything else.

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